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Thursday, November 23, 2006

HOW TO MAKE A BETTER USE OF THE $37 BILLION BORDER FENCE FUNDS

If there was ever any doubt that the planned fence along the southern U.S. border is one of the dumbest ideas ever to come out of Washington, new estimates putting the price tag of the project at up to $37 billion should convince everyone to forget about the whole thing. Read what Washington could do to make a better use of these funds in the full column here, and let me know what YOU think.

37 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen

Hey åndrës, why do you refuse to allow the USA to choose who they allow into their country? Don't you regulate who comes and goes into your house? I don't see the difference.
Any cost of a wall is dwarfed by the obscene ampounts of money you Hispanics smuggle out of the USA every year. And the cost of social services once you people are here.
Spaniards hunted down and killed any "illegals" who were living in what they saw as "their land", far from any Spanish towns. You never once called them "racists". Just this year, the Dominican Republic deported hundreds of Haitians living illegally in their country. No condemnation from you.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/14339059.htm
Apr. 14, 2006
SANTO DOMINGO -- More than 450 illegal Haitian migrants were rounded up in raids and deported from the Dominican Republic, an army officer said Thursday......

1:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen

Hey åndrës, I'm sure I am one of those you call a "racist" too. I think that was the first word your family was taught when you came here from Arhentina. Which would be odd, because I chose to marry a woman from Japan, my house is a shrine to Asian society, I advocate Asian and Mahatma Gandhi Indian immigration to the USA, I have called the Chinese and Japanese peoples the finest human beings in the world.
It's you Hispanics who need to look in the mirror and learn to see the many good aspects in other peoples. I have never ever in my life seen a people so excessivley in love with themselves as Latin Americans of Spanish ancestry. So in love with themselves that they can see no good in any other people in the world and who then think it is their God given mandate to spread their "superior" language and culture to the rest of the world (to force upon).
Latin Americans of Spanish ancestry think they are the finest dancers, athelets, and lovers in the world. They think Latin music blows away all other music. They think they have the best looking women in the world, the best
language.........
I think that is the saddest aspect of the Hispanic race of people: that they are incapable/unwillling to see any good in all the beautiful cultures found in the world.

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Eduardo said...

Hey Paulie, you said a lot of beautiful things about us. Thank you so much. You really appreciate good things.
I'm sorry Paulie, we do need help.
Could you please T Matters explain us what means Hispanic Race? In which book and library could I find further information about that race?
Japanese, God! they really work hard. There is something I couldn't understand. How did you American do to finally forgive them? Do you remember December 7 1941?
Oh! a fragile link with the past!
I wish I could say something beautiful about you Paulie but I do not even speak or write good English to do that in a good manner.
Oh! God, yes! you are White, is that not enough? You should be giving thanks to God today.
Do not let the people think you are feeling admiration or desire to have something possessed by "Hispanic Race" (?)

Latin America (Portuguese/Spanish: América Latina) is the region of the Americas where Romance languages — those derived from Latin — are officially or primarily spoken.
Population 549,549,000; White 32.7%, Mestizo 27.6%, Mulatto 16.4%, Amerindian or Native Peoples 11.2%, White/Mestizo 5.7%, Black 5%, Asian 0.3%, Other and Unknown 1.1%]. As these numbers show, although almost every Latin American country has a majority population, that is not the case for the region as a whole. Another fact they show is that more than 80% of Latin Americans range from having a significant amount of European admixture to being of fully European origin.
Large numbers of European immigrants arrived in Latin America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, most of them settling in Argentina, Uruguay and southern Brazil. The majority population of this combined region is composed of Whites, most of whom, more than 90%, are descendants of the top five groups of European immigrants: Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Germans and Irish. Some of the other groups are Poles, Russians, Welsh, Ukrainians, French, Croatians and European Jews. In all, more than two thirds of Latin America's overall white population resides in this region.

We are so sad. We don't know what is white. We, the Argentinien, don't know what is white. Do you know how many blacks are in Argentina?
Are you still having your ten fingers?
But what is all about? Colors?
I can not imagine how many ladies are at your feet because of your color.
Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.

5:06 PM  
Anonymous andres c said...

People has different opinions, its their right.

Paul,

Si tu prefieres a los blancos y los chinos y japoneses está bien, pero no acuses a otras personas por no estar de acuerdo contigo.

Eres un incoherente Paul. Primero dices que la cultura anglosajona es la original y la única legítima en USA y luego nos dices que tienes una casa que imita las casas japonesas, que pena me das, eso si es falta de identidad, una casa japonesa en la mitad de USA???

Además, acusas a los latinoamericanos de descendencia hispana de ser los culpables de todo lo que odias de nosotro y agregas que esos son los que dicen que bailan bien y tienen mujeres bonitas? ERES UN IGNORANTE. Los que bailan bien son los descendientes de negros y mulatos y hasta donde se esas son las mujeres del caribe que se consideran bellas. Si estas hablando de las argentinas, ellas te dirían que son bonitas porque tienen abuelas italianas no porque tengan algo que ver con españa.

Por último Paul, decídete, hace dos semanas decías que odiabas a los latinoamericanos pobres que gastaban los ahorros de su vida para colarse por la frontera con Mexico y "robar" puestos de trabajo, pero ahora dices que odias a los blancos??? Estos no son los que se colan por la frontera, es más sabiendo lo racista que eres, si todos los inmigrantes fueran descendientes de españoles seguramente los querrías.

Dices que somos orgullosos y nos consideramos los mejores y los únicos aceptables, mírate en el espejo.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andres, I am in agreement with your last column. Unfortunately, you make too many positive proposals at a time when negative policies are in vogue. The truth is the proposed border fence is doomed to failure.

I remember an article by Molly Ivins which touched on this subject. It seems as though one of the contests at a chili cookoff at Terlingua, Texas, involved climbing a fifteen foot fence like the fence which has been proposed for the border for some years. The winning time was around thirty seconds. Now, imagine what an "illegal" who is in good condition and SOBER could do.

This does make me wonder about the feasibility of a fence. If it cannot defeat a bunch of whacked out Lone Star and Tequila drinking chiliheads, I rather imagine its chances for success are quite limited.

¡Viva Terlingua!

11:52 PM  
Blogger roberto e said...

The USA has a right to admit who they wish
But yes the fence is more moronic
than restrictive
but so few have better ideas and wide open borders is not one of them
there must be a better way
Because financial aid to the region has not really worked as the LA political class stashes it in UBS Geneva or in Pinochet's case Wash DC
and the Private sector stashes it in NY and Miami and San Diego
WITHOUT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AS USUAL
LET US PRAY FOR ENLIGHTENMENT !!

7:47 PM  
Blogger Luis Felipe Jaramillo said...

The US has the right to defense its borders, as all the nations on the world.
But the question is how.
Problems tend to soluted only when you attack them at the base, and the base of inmigrants are the poverty and unemployement.
US should follow the European example and help latin american countries with those funds, investing in food, technology developement that would improve the United States image on Latin America and preventing populist and anti-US governements, because people as Chavez or Evo Morales are a message from Latin America, and it´s We want a change.

4:40 PM  
Blogger Truth Matters said...

Good old Andres,

Short on practical solutions or supporting evidence, long on name-calling.

Ok, taking it from the top here are the problems with your latest column Andres:

1) "If there was ever any doubt that the planned fence along the southern U.S. border is one of the dumbest ideas ever to come out of Washington, new estimates putting the price tag of the project at up to $37 billion should convince everyone to forget about the whole thing."

Reading this sentence one would probably conclude that the 700 mile fence itself would cost $37 billion. However, this is clearly not the case as Andres admits 2 sentences later when he says "As you may know, Department of Homeland Security Inspector General Richard L. Skinner testified recently that the high-tech electronic surveillance of the border could cost up to $30 billion. In addition, the 700-mile ''physical fence'' along the 2,000-mile border with Mexico that was recently signed into law by President Bush will cost up to $7 billion."

Thus, Andres has confused the issue to try to scare people by equating the high price tag ($37 billion) with the physical fence (which is only for 700 miles) whereas the $30 billion estimate is to put surveillance equipment along over 6,000 miles of border on both Mexico and the US. Funny, how Andres always complains about how people like myself are scaring people about Hispanics and such, but now he resorts to the exact same tactics he constantly complains about. In any case, he doesn't mention that the $30 billion would be for 6,000 miles of fence on BOTH borders, NOT the 700 mile fence proposed on the Mexican border.

2) "it would not do much to stop Mexicans from crossing the border."

Any proof to back up that claim? Didn't think so, because I actually do have proof that when you put more agents on the border (i.e. make it harder to get into th US, the number of ILLEGAL immigrants crossing decreases). Go here http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,108065,00.html

3) "Here are three ideas that would help reduce migration by improving living conditions south of the border, rather than just helping Halliburton, Boeing and other major U.S. defense contractors get richer."

Oh, yes, there we go. It's all just a big conspiracy to make Halliburton richer. Just like the Iraq war. Well done, Andres.

4) "First, Congress should approve a bill...to build highways, roads and broadband Internet lines in southern Mexico"

Andres, please explain how giving poor residents that live on $5/day DSL access will stop them from coming to America where they can make 8 times that doing unskilled labor jobs.

5) "Third, the United States, Canada and Mexico should enter a North American healthcare treaty that would allow U.S-certified hospitals in Mexico to treat some of the estimated 100 million Americans who will reach retirement age over the next three decades."

Andres, you pitched this idea once before, and I wrote to you about it and still haven't received a reply. Please explain how sending sick senior citizens to Mexico is going to stop illegal immigrants from coming here to find work. Also, can you find 1 senior citizen who when sick with pneumonia or the flu is going to go the airport, get on an airplane, fly a minimum of 2 hours (or more depending on where they live), then get taken to a hospital in Mexico to get treated, then come back having probably 2-4 days what they could have had done here in the US in 2 hours.

6) "Any of these ideas would be much more effective in reducing illegal migration than spending $37 billion on a fence that is not only being condemned by the world, but will be pretty useless."

2 points: First, apparently we make policy decisions based on what the rest of the world thinks about it. Well, we would if you and other marxist liberals got your way. Second, do you have any proof that the fence and technology will be useless???? Didn't think so. Just because you claim it "will be pretty useless." doesn't make it so.

7) "It's buyingCNN's Lou Dobbs and other anti-Hispanic immigration zealots"

Andres, I can't believe you waited until the end of your column to return to your favorite pastime: name-calling. We are NOT anti-Hispanic immigration. We ARE anti-ILLEGAL immigration.

I'm going to repeat this a couple of times Andres, just so that maybe one day you will state it correctly.

We are NOT anti-Hispanic immigration. We ARE anti-ILLEGAL immigration.

We are NOT anti-Hispanic immigration. We ARE anti-ILLEGAL immigration.

We are NOT anti-Hispanic immigration. We ARE anti-ILLEGAL immigration.

1:16 PM  
Blogger Truth Matters said...

Andres, sorry almost forgot my tag line to close out my last post:

"And as to Andres Oppenheimer, partner, you’re a liar, and you ought to be ashamed."

Lou Dobbs 5/10/2006

1:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

Hey Luis Felipe Jaramillo, nice try, but I don't agree with you.
First off, you Latin Americans are not "poor". Compared to people just 150 years ago, you Latinos would be considered obscenely rich. People back then didn't have electricity, cars, television, radio, photos......
2) I don't think if would mattter a bit if we (the USA/"Anglos") developed Latin America into the richest region the world has ever seen. The hatred will still exist. In fact, it actually was ther USA that set up your electrical grids, that installed your telephone systems, that set up your farming plantations, that set up your railways......
I say that so long as the world wants to learn English and not Spanish, and to listen and dance to American music, and not Latin music, that you people will feel outdone and then hate. Macho Hispanic pride will never allow for the "Anglos" to outdo proud Hispanicks in any way on the world stage.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen:

Hey "Truth Matters", åndrës is not a "marxist liberal". I think he just hates the USA as the "Anglos" as many Spanish speaking Latin Americas do, seeing the the USA/"Anglos" as the hated historic rivals of their beloved Spaniards and because they feel tremendoulsy humiliated to have to sneak into the country of their perceived historic rivals to be able to live decent lives, they hate. That's why they can't bear to speak English, why they boo USA international sports teams, why they can't bear to give their kids "English" (American) names.....
You would be hard pressed to find names like Brashton, Rustin, Raylene, Raynette and Davalynn anywhere in the British Isles.
English names are likes like Ian, Nigel, Gareth, Ewan, Cole, Noel, Graham, Stadford......

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Eduardo said...

USA international sports teams are mostly black. Or mainly black.
"People like myself are scaring people about Hispanics"........I think white American ladies are not feeling so as I could see visiting Miami. Have a funny walk and check out Lincoln Road in Southbeach, Miami, FL. Does it happen in LA?
Rivals? LOL How old are you? 250? Have you read something about "Trafalgar"?
You don't need to be "smart" to realize why people want to learn English and not Spanish....what do you prefer climb a hill or a mountain?
Take your time to answer. Maybe you like camping.
Listen and dance American Music. What kind of "american music"? Rock?
You are talking about dance "rock" instead of "tango"?
We are not anti-anglos, we have never been anti-anglos, at least in the last 200 years. We are anti-stupidity.
Man, did you lost any girlfriend? Is there any Hispanic (??) you could blamed?

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Eduardo said...

Ok...I'm still waiting. What does "hispanic race" mean? Mister Master Professor PT?
Come on..tell me the present tense of the verb "live" in spanish.
Ey c'mon it is very easy.
Yo vivo
Tu vives
El vive
Nosotros vivimos
Vosotros vivís
Ellos viven.
But if you want to make things go worst. Try in English
I live....and that's all. Oh God! English is very complicated.
I will learn Spanish mom.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen:

êduårdô, go to any hip dance club in the non-Hispanic world and they play American music. Either Black music or Madonna type music. You will find that all over Asia, Africa, Europe and Oceania.
Even in Communist Vietnam.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous eduardo said...

I'm sorry.
Mr. Paulie Thorsen:
Mr.President daughters are visiting a nice country. They have been there more than a week. So, I think they are having fun. Do you know what country is that? Where is that country?
Take your time.
Is that country Hispanic? What do you think? How are your History Skills?
Did you locate that country in Europe or in Asia?
What is the official language there?
Do they boo American sport teams?
See this picture Photo
I think they like soccer. Do you like soccer?
See the colors of the t-shirts they are wearing.
Do you think in Japan or Korea or England or Germany or ..?
I cannot believe they are learning spanish. Aren't they?
What is the skin's color of those people in that country?
Are they dancing and listening rock music or something like......A little bitty house and a little bitty yard
Little bitty dog and a little bitty car...
or Chinese music?
Do you think they hate anglos there?
Do you think they can not be able to pronounce Barbara and Jenna?
Do you also hate bilingual or tri-lingual people?
Geography...accurate.!

10:17 PM  
Anonymous edu said...

The picture is here:
http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=01316784&fecha=20061126

10:19 PM  
Anonymous eduardo said...

Oh! Thank you very very much.
I finally know who I'm talking to.
Hip Hop. White home-made "american music".!!
How often are you going to dance hip-hop Andres?
And the world is proudly dancing and singing real, authentic, home-made american-anglo, roots in Shakespeare's poems, fine and elegant........called: "hip-hop".
I wonder how they understand something like: ...I got the bitch by the bar trying to get a drink up out her
She like my style, she like my smile, she like the way I talk
She from the country, think she like me cause I'm from New York
I ain't that nigga trying to holla cause I want some head
I'm that nigga trying to holla cause I want some bread
I could care less how she perform when she in the bed
Bitch hit that track, catch a date, and come and pay the kid
Look baby this is simple, you can't see
You fucking with me, you fucking with a P-I-M-P

I'm bout my money you see, girl you can holla at me
If you fucking with me, I'm a P-I-M-P
Not what you see on TV, no Cadillac, no greasy...


The resurrection of Shakespeare.

11:24 PM  
Anonymous fragosohammer said...

La idea de que vayamos a Mexico a servicios medicos pre-certificados es alocada. Quien pre-certificaria? Los corruptos mexicanos de siempre? Ir a Mexico adonde en el presente hay tres presidentes? Sr. Oppenheimer, usted es generalmente bien pensado, calmado, y analitico, pero esta vez metio su argentina pata en un lodazal. Y Lou Dobbs tiene razon, y si no se para la inmigracion ilegal los EEUU no van a ser los EEUU en veinte o treinta años sino los Estados Unidos del Desastre Latinoamericano. Este pais es grande porque hay respeto. Los latinoamericanos solo respetan a su familia y a veces solamente a su mamacita. En general, por supuesto, no quiero ser acusado de discriminador. Mire simplemente lo que han hecho con Miami desde que empezaron a llegar en masa en los ultimos veinte años: Miami un basurero donde la congestion de automoviles es horrenda, y donde la gente maneja como en Bueno Aires, Lima, o Bogota. Un desastre.

11:11 AM  
Anonymous fragosohammer said...

The idea that we should go to Mexico to get pre-certified medical services is crazy. Who would want to go to corrupt Mexico to trust pre-certification by corrupt Mexicans. That's a country with three presidents! Forget it. Mr. Oppenheimer, you're usually analytical, calm, and cautious, but this time you really stuck your Argentinean foot in a mud hole. Just look at Miami: a congested city full of Latin Americans who arrived in the last twenty years and who have turned its streets into a gigantic garbage can. Everything hits the pavement, parking lots, etc. Banana peels, soda cans, soda bottles, papers, cigarettes, cigars. And everyting is rude and loud and totally lacking a sense of responsibility of caring for your neighbor, or a sense of community. Latin America is a cesspool a la Spanish ancestry: family comes number and sometimes only that precious and idolized mother who gave us birth. The rest, to them, doesn't matter.

11:17 AM  
Blogger A.M. Mora y Leon said...

Andres: Good column. But why can't Mexico pay for its own roads. It's got massive oil earnings - right now, it's just wasting them on corrupt oil unions and idle workers. If Mexico could get that situation in shape, and instead of wasting its oil earnings on leftist union bankrolling, either invest them in infrastructure, or on deep sea drilling to ensure more money, it could solve its poverty problem all by itself.

The oil issue is the elephant in the living room in Mexico. Here we are, unable to win a war in Iraq against a bunch of ragtag militiamen, and now we are supposed to develop Mexico? When they can't even get up the gumption to clean up their oil act? It does not seem like it will work.

Besides, oil, another problem with the Mexican infrastructure is oligarchs like Lorenzo Zambrano, who depend on high cement prices to keep them in curry. They run near-monopolies and depend on all kinds of regulations about what can be built how to maintain their power. Opening up the cement and other infrastructure markets and ending privileges would go a long way to increasing competition for infrastructure and thus getting more of it built. Entrepreneurs right now can't even build roads if they want to!

Do you know that Mexico's biggest obstacle to development is lack of roads (and rivers but the latter is not their fault) and Mexicans in turn pay much more for their cement than us gringos do? That's because of transport costs and the lack of infrastructure. It's high time we demand Mexico deregulate its economy.

When leftists talk about the superrich and poor, and privilege and privation, they are fairly close to right on the diagnosis - the big problem of course is when they prescribe "more of the same" substitutions of one elite for an old elite, as the cure.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous andres c said...

Fragosohammer,

¿¿Los latinoamericanos SOLO respetamos a nuestra familia y nuestra mamita?? Esa afirmación ignorante no podría ser mas prejuiciosa. Y si respetaramos a nuestros padres que tiene de malo?

En USA hay personas educadas y maleducadas como en todas partes. Creeme, yo vivo en Lima y he estado en Miami el año pasado, el tráfico de Miami no está ni cerca del de Lima. El desastre del trafico en USA asi como la quiebra del sistema de pensiones que se avecina no son culpa de nadie mas que de los estadounidenses.

"totally lacking a sense of responsibility of caring for your neighbor, or a sense of community" los estadounidenses son personas frías, superficiales, materialistas y egoistas, todo es relativo por supuesto, ustedes no se ven así, pero creeme que desde la perspectiva latinoamericana lo son.

A ustedes les falta sentido de communidad y ayuda a su vecino. Los abuelos en USA se PUDREN en asilos, los gringos que viven en departamentos no conocen a nadie que viva en el mismo edificio, no disfrutan estar en grupos realmente integrados, les encanta hablar de estupideces como en donde trabajan, el clima y en donde nacieron, pero realmente intercambio de experiencias como comunidad no tienen, son aburridos, muy aburridos.

En latinoamerica hay gente muy educada asi como hay gente ignorante. A USA va gente de ambos tipos y generalizar a todos bajos los prejuicios sobre los "hispanics" está mal.

A USA han migrado siempre todo tipo de personas, muchos de los inmigrantes pobres que van a ese país desde 1800 son ignorantes y "poco" civilizados. Pero sus hijos irán a colegios norteamericanos y aprenderán los supuestos valores que hay en ese país, así como los inmigrantes de 1900 lo hicieron también.

No estoy de acuerdo con la inmigración ilegal, me parece que si un país tiene leyes que no te permíten mudarte ahí, no deberías hacerlo.

Sin embargo, si a ustedes norteamericanos les importa tanto la inmigración dejen de hablar y hagan algo. Todo el mundo sabe donde viven los ilegales, todos saben donde trabajan. Si de verdad no los quisieran podrían arrestarlos a todos y subirlos a un avión.

A mi me parece que son unos xenofobos, pero son tan materialistas que estan felices con el crecimiento económico y los bajos precios que disfrutan en USA gracias a la inmigración, por lo que prefieren no hacer nada. Si fuera verdad eso de que los latinoamericanos estamos desapareciendo los valores y educación de USA, y a pesar de eso los americanos no hacen nada, entonces sería obvio que ustedes prefieren el dinero antes que la educación o valores. Además en el fondo mientras más pobres negros o mestizos haya en su país más ricos y exclusivos se sentirán los blancos, algo que les hace falta. Sentirse todos igualitos sonará muy bien, pero puede ser una maldición que les pesa dentro de su alma humana.

12:21 AM  
Anonymous andres c said...

Andres,

Me parece buena idea lo de los hospitales en Mexico, el tiempo probará que tienes razón.

Por ponerte un ejemplo, aquí en lima hay cirujanos plásticos famosos que operan a personas de otros países porque una operación de nariz en Lima cuesta un tercio de lo que te cuesta en USA. Tanta es la diferencia que están construyendo un hotel 5 estrellas junto a una clínica de cirujía plástica en una playa de Lima para que gringas feas vengan a mejorarse la cara.

12:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thørsen:

Dang Leon Mora, that was good. The Miami Herald should hire you for its commentary. de donde es usted?
åndrës is well informed and works hard, I just don't like his drive-by-shooting name calling and he doesn't hide his disdain for the USA and the "Anglos".
Usually Latin Americans with names like "Oppenheimer" love the USA and its those with names like Gárcia and Gonzalez that hate the USA.

1:21 AM  
Blogger Worker said...

I agree that the idea of a fence to stop immigration is a silly idea. How about we put more people to work in the INS and feed our own.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous fragosohammer and brickbradford said...

andres c.

The problem is latinamericans demanding to be allowed here legally by illegal means. Miami is a disaster of dirt, congestion, garbage, and lack of respect for others because of the latin american invasion. Many of you in Latin America are indeed nice, decent, educated people, but we're getting the uneducated ones that can't see one inch beyond their nose. Either that or the very rich with their noses way up in the air. As to the USA causing its own difficulties, just look at the legacy from Spain into Latin America. Keep your families happy first, give them jobs in the family enterprise, and then think of everybody else or screw them!!! That's what I've seen in my travels throughout, especially in Mexico and Argentina. The South of Brazil is pretty uppity too, but also corrupt. Have you read the book on Latin America and the Caribbean that James Michener wrote? Dead on with respect to the legacy of Spain, corruption, and nepotism. That's what I mean by family and mamacita and screw the rest. Americans are the most neighborly, helpful people who endeavour as part of their culture to maintain streets, national monuments, cleanliness, etc. The cities I've seen in Latin America, especially Lima, Guatemala City, Tegucigalpa, and Caracas look like crap and behave like crap. Mexico city is a kiind of "forget it," and Bogota? You better not venture a block away from your hotel in Bogota. The empire of savagery, I'm sorry to say.

8:38 PM  
Anonymous andres c said...

Fragosohammer,

Es cierto, la corrupción, negligencia y nepotismo es algo que tenemos que solucionar en latinoamerica.

Pero sobre eso de que contratamos a nuestros familiares en los negocios de la familia no le veo nada de malo. En USA ustedes también trabajan en los negocios de sus padres, o al menos pueden hacer si les da la gana.

Es verdad que la diferencia entre la gente culta y la inculta en latinoamerica es grande, pero como tu mismo dices no puedes generalizar.

Acepto que tienes razón en que un gran número de inmigrantes pobres e incultos puede destruir una ciudad, sino preguntale a alguien que haya vivido en Lima como era esta ciudad hace 60 años y como es hoy.

El hecho es que todos los norteamericanos saben donde están los ilegales y no hacen nada, prefieren seguir disfrutando de los precios y servicios baratos.
¿¿¿Prefieren el Dinero antes que los valores??? o talvez no están tan cerca de la destrucción de su identidad nacional como algunos dicen.

12:27 AM  
Anonymous fragosohammer said...

En 1984 me ofrecieron un trabajo importante en Lima. Fui alli por tres dias antes de aceptar. Vi todo lo que tenia que ver. Nunca me hubiera atrevido a manejar un automovil, y hubiera sido un prisionero en mi casa. Mis amigos de Lima que fueron a la universidad conmigo en Texas me decian que si ellos no hubieran tenido negocios de alli se hubieran ido inmediatamente. Indudablemente que la decision fue rapida: no me fui para alla porque mi familia nunca se hubiera acostumbrado. Las casas tenian alambres de puas para evitar los ladrones, la pobreza era aplastante, y el relajo latino, el llegar tarde, los ricos dandose lija y mirando hacia abajo a los pobres era, como siempre, lo que prevalecia. A mi no se me ha perdido nada en latinoamerica, especialmente con los Chavez, Morales, Ortegas siguiendo los edictos de Fidel el cotorron barbudo, y en Mexico la lucha contra el comunista que se ha nombrado presidente sin haber sido elegido. Que clase de relajo! No, yo vivo en EEUU desde 1957, y mi familia tiene historia aqui desde los 1870s cuando mi abuelo vivia en Tampa. Les regalo la idiosincracia latina. Los brasileros no admiten ser latinoamericanos ni quieren ser confundidos con los que hablan español---se creen que se las saben todas. Y mas arrogantes que los argentinos hay que buscarlos con una lupa. Cuando vienen a EEUU no hay manera de hacer que los distintos grupos trabajen juntos en equipo. Todos quieren imponer las cosas como se hacen en su país, y cuando esto no sucede empiezan las viles conspiraciones y las puñaladas por la espalda a sus compañeros de trabajo de otras nacionalidades. En familia todo muy bien. Fuera de la familia todos son unos arrancapezcuezos. O casi todos, mejor dicho.

8:23 AM  
Anonymous fragosohammer said...

En 1984 me ofrecieron un trabajo importante en Lima. Fui alli por tres dias antes de aceptar. Vi todo lo que tenia que ver. Nunca me hubiera atrevido a manejar un automovil, y hubiera sido un prisionero en mi casa. Mis amigos de Lima que fueron a la universidad conmigo en Texas me decian que si ellos no hubieran tenido negocios de alli se hubieran ido inmediatamente. Indudablemente que la decision fue rapida: no me fui para alla porque mi familia nunca se hubiera acostumbrado. Las casas tenian alambres de puas para evitar los ladrones, la pobreza era aplastante, y el relajo latino, el llegar tarde, los ricos dandose lija y mirando hacia abajo a los pobres era, como siempre, lo que prevalecia. A mi no se me ha perdido nada en latinoamerica, especialmente con los Chavez, Morales, Ortegas siguiendo los edictos de Fidel el cotorron barbudo, y en Mexico la lucha contra el comunista que se ha nombrado presidente sin haber sido elegido. Que clase de relajo! No, yo vivo en EEUU desde 1957, y mi familia tiene historia aqui desde los 1870s cuando mi abuelo vivia en Tampa. Les regalo la idiosincracia latina. Los brasileros no admiten ser latinoamericanos ni quieren ser confundidos con los que hablan español---se creen que se las saben todas. Y mas arrogantes que los argentinos hay que buscarlos con una lupa. Cuando vienen a EEUU no hay manera de hacer que los distintos grupos trabajen juntos en equipo. Todos quieren imponer las cosas como se hacen en su país, y cuando esto no sucede empiezan las viles conspiraciones y las puñaladas por la espalda a sus compañeros de trabajo de otras nacionalidades. En familia todo muy bien. Fuera de la familia todos son unos arrancapezcuezos. O casi todos, mejor dicho.

8:23 AM  
Blogger Truth Matters said...

Yep, Andres...they're just coming here to do the jobs "American's won't do"

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou061128_mh_talibanstudent.33479620.html

"Two Houston men have been charged with planning to aid the Taliban, U.S. Attorney Don DeGabrielle announced Tuesday."

"As a student visa holder, Mirza is prohibited from possessing firearms. Furthermore, once his student visa expired on Dec.12, 2005, Mirza’s status changed to that of being illegally in the United States. Illegal aliens are also prohibited from possessing firearms"

12:07 PM  
Anonymous andres c said...

Truth matters,

Los inmigrantes que van a USA van a hacer los trabajos que se les ofrecen.

Los terroristas no tienen preferencias por visas de estudiantes, o trabajo o turismo, da igual como entraron, lo único que un terrorista necesita es entrar o asociarse con un residente o ciudadano. La inmigración no tiene nada que ver con el terrorismo, porque un terrorista siempre mentirá para conseguir su objetivo.

La única forma de que ningún terrorista pueda entrar a USA es no permitiendo que nadie entre a USA, logicamente eso no es posible, porque en último caso un terrorista puede falsificar un pasaporte entrar. La única forma de evitar eso sería que ningún americano pueda salir de USA, para así no tener que admitir a los propios ciudadanos.

Si un terrorista quisiera podría mandar una bomba en un container y hacerla explotar en medio de Nueva york. Ni siquiera tendría que estar presente fisicamente para hacerlo.

11:25 PM  
Anonymous andres c said...

fragosohammer,

"las viles conspiraciones y las puñaladas por la espalda a sus compañeros de trabajo" se ven más en USA que en latinoamérica por el simple hecho de que mientras más competitivo es el ambiente de trabajo y mayores son las ambiciones, mayor es el egoismo en las acciones, obviamente la competencia neurótica por el dinero y la ambición por este es mucho mayor en USA.

Que pena que tus amigos digan que se irían del Perú si no tuvieran una empresa aquí, lo cierto es que si de verdad quisieran irse podrían venderla y largarse.

Lo más probable es que les falte personalidad o caracter como para responderle a una persona, con una imagen tan negativa del Perú, que sí les gusta vivir aquí. Entiedo que la gente pobre, que es la mayoría, quisiera ir a un otro lugar donde su vida pudiera ser más interesante o gratificante.

Creeme que conozco un gran numero de personas que podrían irse pero les gusta vivir aquí, seguramente es porque nacimos aquí y estamos acostumbrados a todo lo que tu rechazas, pero hay cosas buenas en interesantes de la vida aquí que no pudiste haber apreciado en tres días.

No siempre esta ciudad fue tan fea, pero irse ni bien las cosas se ponen feas y comenzar a decirle a sus amigos extranjeros que odian su propio país, es patetico. Sobre todo porque estoy seguro que la mayoría de tus amigos eran descendientes de europeos que vinieron cuando todo era lindo.

Para los que nacimos aquí no es tan malo, nuestros amigos del colegio viven cerca nuestro, los amigos de la universidad también, la familia también, aquí nunca estas solo y los amigos aquí son personas mucho más entrañables que los norteamericanos.

No existen los lugares ni las vidas perfectas, talvez no hablo por la realidad de la mayoría en Lima, pero me parecío bueno que supieras que no todo es malo.

11:38 PM  
Anonymous Just asking... said...

Is Paul Torsen, the racist, a Nazi as well?

9:05 PM  
Anonymous fragosohammer said...

andres c

La realidad es que toda latinoamerica es un desastre y que la mayoria de sus habitantes, si pudieran, se vendrian a EEUU lo mas rapido posible. El pais esta lleno de inmigrantes legales e ilegales. El ambiente competitivo es lo que lleva a los descubrimientos, al desarrollo y a los avances. Ademas, ayuda a desarrollar el espiritu. Los seres humanos hemos nacido para logros, individuales como parte de una comunidad, no para hacer excusas por todo de que "eso o lo otro no lo puedo ni lo voy a hacer porque asi no lo haciamos en mi pais." Eso, e incluyendo lo preferido de los brasileros: "En mi pais no trabajamos los viernes en la tarde, y nos vamos a la playa a tomar cerveza y a bailar." Esos son los temas de las novelas de TV y de la programacion que veo lo mismo en Ecuador, Mexico, Venezuela, Miami (Telemundo y Univision), Azteca America, etc., etc., ad infinitum: mujeres moviendo las pelvis y las nalgas para complacer a hombres a quien se les salen las babas de la boca. Hay tiempo para todo. Hay tiempo para trabajar y hay tiempo para descansar, para meditar, y para divertirse. Lo siento, pero mi experiencia con los latinos ha sido, por lo general, desencantadora, y las ciudades con las fabelas son un desastre.

A ti solo te puedo decir que el estereotipo anti-capitalista ha invadido latinoamerica como excusa para justificar sus constantes ataques contra todo lo "gringo." Lo gringo tiene exito porque es esta fundado en leyes que se observan y no se observan se castigan. Hay demandas de los que trabajan, de los que manejan automoviles, y de la responsabilidad de no tirar basura en las calles o porqueria en la propiedad de tu vecino, como se evidencia con lo que ha pasado en Miami entero, excepto quizas South Beach donde solo hay maniaticos sexuales, weirdos, y alocados buscando bebida, mujeres, o drogas. Lo mismo ha pasado en enormes barrios de Los Angeles, Houston, etc., donde ya no se puede ni entrar por peligro a no salir de alli con la vida propia.

Siento decirte todo esto, pero esa es mi experiencia con los "latinazos," quienes aparentemente, el 90% quieren ser mas machos que nadie, mas supermanes que nadie, mas mujeriegos que nadie, mas valerosos que nadie, y mas fuertes que nadie.
Puro alarde y ejercicio de egos mantenidos en sus casas mientras crecian, por papá, mamá, y abuelitos, y mientras tanto las mujeres a ver como se desenvuelven, incluyendo el caso de esas mujeres que van a un carnaval no-se-donde en Mexico y todas paren a los nueve meces y después son entrevistadas en TV riéndose de que la vida hay que gozarla mientras se puede, excepto que después son cargas para el estado, los vecinos, otros países, etc.

La ignorancia y la falta de respeto a las leyes, al vecino, a la comunidad, a la moral, etc., terminan por mordernos el fondillito, y creo que las principales faltas de latinoamerica son esas: relajo y falta de respeto, hacer lo que nos da la gana, y la vanidad y el alarde.

Saludos, y siento expresarme asi, pero es mi opinion basada en haber nacido en uno de los paises latinos, haber conocido muchos latinos de muchos paises a lo largo de mi estancia universitaria, y luego haber viajado el mundo entero, incluyendo casi toda latinoamerica por muchos años.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous brickbradford said...

I wonder why Mexico, rich in oil, tourism, and natural resources, cannot stand up on its own feet and create jobs, commerce, and housing for its people? Why does everything have to come as aid from the US?

Do corruption, nepotism, and languid ways have anything to do with it?

11:14 AM  
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