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Monday, October 02, 2006

OK, THEY APPROVED THE BORDER FENCE. BUT WILL THEY BUILD IT?

OK. The Senate has approved the 700-mile border fence, which - as we detailed in a recent column you can find below - is a monumental waste of money. But will they build it? I doubt it. First, the Senate appropriated $1.2 billion for the fence, which Republicans say would cost about $2.2 billion. But a more reliable estimate would be closer to $7 billion. Just as an example, a 14 mile stretch built on the border near San Diego is costing $126 million. In addition, as Dave Montgomery of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports in his article "Border Fence Faces Obstacles," environmentalists and landowners will fight it. What do YOU think?

16 Comments:

Anonymous Eduardo said...

En relación a éste tema y los anteriores referidos a la delincuencia juvenil, el muro de la tristeza y los padres ausentes, vengo a ver con dolor, angustía y remordimiento como un individuo, de éste bendito país, entra a una escuela, pone en fila a sus alumnas, las ata de manos y de pies y les dispara de muerte a tres, simplemente para ajustar algunas cuentas atrasadas que había estado guardado en su mente por más de 20 años.
Esa cantidad de años atrás, en su juventud, nació el germen del delito que llevó a cabo ayer.
Su abogado se encargará de justificar esta cuestión en "la falta de comprensión de su familia y de la sociedad", o "la presencia ausente de sus padres o tutores o educadores". Padres que están en ésta sociedad pero que se ausentan de los problemas y de las carencias emocionales de sus hijos.
Lamentablemente, éste es uno de los delitos que "asombran" pero no "molestan". Sus causas son sicológicas. ¿quien pudo hacer algo antes sino sus padres en su momento, en su juventud?.
¿que ha pasado en éste país con el abrazo, la palmada, la sobremesa, el consejo?
En definitiva no es un robo, delito que "molesta" de los que se cometen en Latinoamérica.
De esos que si tienen una causa con responsables. Presidentes, Gobernadores, Legisladores, Economistas, ciudadanos de esa América Latina que conocen la causa y se olvidan de combatirla. Y que a la hora del delito, el robo, el homicidio con esos fines, dicen:" parece que es más fácil robar o matar para robar que salir a buscar trabajo...".
Quiero créer que el dinero destinado a construir una frontera para evitar la entrada de personas que quieren trabajar para comer y darles un futuro a sus hijos, aunque hayan sido dejado bajo la custodia de sus abuelos; sería mejor dedicarlo a construir hospitales y clínicas para la salud mental y la ayuda a menores que carecen de comunicación con sus padres presentes en América del Norte.
Sin ánimo de ofender a nadie sino intentando desenredar el nudo dentro del cual parece estar atada la realidad.

11:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Propongo lo siguiente: que con los 7,000 millones de dolares que se emplearian en la construccion de este muro, sean empleados en sembrios de arboles frutales en tierras adyacentes a lo largo de la linea fronteriza entres los EEUU y Mexico, y que ambos gobiernos formalicen un convenio de caracter agricola e industrial para la elaboracion de jugos de diversas frutas.

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Fabian said...

Suguiero que deberian de prestarnos pero a los ciudadanos esos billones de dolares, para crear los empleos dignos con sueldos dignos, para asi estar en posibilidad de para la migración de compatriotas, ya que aqui el gobierno del pais el dinero que tiene esta en las reservas, para que no se ya que por eso la gente tiene que salir a buscar otra clase de oportunidades, por que mientras aqui ralizan cortos de efectivo para que haya menos inflación (que no se ve reflejada en el bolsillo de la gente) la ciudadania tiene menos efectivo y unos empleos con salarios deplorables, no pueden decir que estamos bien, mientras los profesionales andan en las calles siendo choferes y los que deberian ser choferes en el comercio ambulante sin pagar un solo peso de impuestos, no nesecitas tener un doctorado o una maestria en economia para ver que el pais se encuantra en un bache para la sociedad, mientras no se ancausen los recursos a programas destinados al crecimiento de la economia esto seguira igual, ni tampoco se trata de que se regale el dinero a los necesitados, si no destinarlo a lo que es realmente necesario. A lo mejor crear fideicomisos, uniones de credito. etc.

3:39 PM  
Blogger Andres Oppenheimer said...

Me gustan estas ideas. Les ruego darme mas ideas de como usar esos 7,000 millones de dolares del muro fronterizo. Las puedo usar en una futura columna.

6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thorsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

Hey Andres, if you have other ideas on how to spend $7 million, why not you Latinos pool the $40 BILLION you people smuggle out of the USA every year, give it to the USA and then let us do what you want here in the USA? What's wrong with that idea?
Whatever cost a wall would actuallty cost would pale in comparison to the obscene amount of dollars you Latinos smuggle out of the USA every year.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Cogito Argentum said...

El dia que quienes se sienten lideres de los latinos, ya sea politicos, activistas, o periodistas, se decidan a dejar de hacer demagogia barata y entiendan que no solo hay que respetar la soberania de los EE.UU. sino que hay que encauzar la lucha respetando sus leyes, ese sera el dia en que los latinos nos podremos poner de pie orgullosos y seremos respetados.

Mientras nos comportemos como truhanes, exigiendo, pero no dispuestos a respetar los derechos de los otros, seremos vistos (y con razon) como vulgares ladrones de gallinas.

Pienso que hay que ser muy miserable para exigirle a EE.UU. que se haga cargo de nuestras miserias, especialmente cuando no somos capaces de respetarnos a nosotros mismos en nuestros lugares de origen.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Cheo Medalla said...

It is not the US taxpayer's reponsibility to solve Mexico's economic problems (surprise, it's not the US Gov the one with the money, it's the hard working, law-abiding, tax-paying, American and legal immigrant worker).

The fence was never our first choice. It is the result of decades of unlawful neglect on the part of US officials and of wholesale disrespect on the part of the Mexican government and its people. Mexico bears more responsibility for the building of this fence that the US!

This time around, rest assured that a fence will be built and it *will* help reduce illegal immigration to manageable levels. The disrespectul demonstrations of last spring raised awareness of the issue where it did not exist before. Giant, silent, middle-America has awaken to the issue and will not let it go away this time.

We are a nation of immigrants. Legal immigrants. I for one want to keep it that way so that future generations of legal immigrants will always be welcome in our society.

1:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from Paul Thorsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

Hey Cheo Medalla, you got that right regarding the very disrespectful demonstratons last spring. It was nothing mnore than illegals demanding full rights in the USA even though they don't even belong here. What nerve!
Especiail considering what Spaniards would do to foriengers who set up their own independent societies in what Spaniards considered to be "their" land. Like how they massacred a group of French settlers in present day Jacksonville after they had set up their own independent society far from any Spanish town. But Hispanicks think the USA is suppossed to allow in those same Hispanicks into our society and to steal our jobs. They aren't coming here to set up their own independent societies far from any Anglo towns.

5:49 AM  
Anonymous Eduardo said...

Cheo Medalla y Thorsen debieran sentirse traicionados por sus propios compatriotas de origen y descendencia cuya habilidad para construir y hacer grandes civilizaciones a lo largo y lo ancho del mundo; sin embargo contratan inmigrantes ilegales para la realización de sus brillantes planes como el caso del candidato republicano a la Cámara de Representantes Ralph Norman.
Es decir que el inmigrante ilegal no viene a quitar nada sino que toma el trabajo que se le es ofrecido por ciudadanos americanos.
De todos modos, deben tener cuidado no caer en las manos de aquel ciudadano americano que contrataba ilegales en los bares del centro de la Florida para que trabajen su campo y a su vez les vendía alcohol y drogas para que se diviertan de tal modo que llegado el fin de la semana, el trabajador le debía dinero al empleador.
Mr. Thorson se quedó en historia del siglo XVII al siglo XIX.
¿Parece sentirse atacado por los Reyes de España, Fernando VII o sus sucesores?

11:17 AM  
Blogger CaliFer said...

Enmudecido y horrorizado con el pensamiento del "pro-argentino" cogito argentum.
Muchachos,no molestemos mas a estados unidos.......respetemos su soberania de la misma manera que ellos respetan la de los demas.....
No se dan cuenta que ellos son los buenos y a nosotros nos toco ser los malos? aceptemoslo!
Ah! y lo del muro, una maravilla para la historia de la humanidad.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Cheo Medalla said...

eduardo and califer,

The point here is that we don't really care whether you "respect our sovereignty" or not. It is clear we have given up on that one. Thus, the fence, tougher laws against employers, etc. It's a start.

I agree that greedy capitalist-American sub-employers addicted to cheap labor, no taxes, no workmen's comp, etc. are also to blame. They broke our laws too and have to be dealt with. I assure you they will have to deal with a much harsher "climate" in the future. Changes will not happen overnight but they will be felt. That said, the fact that their employers broke the law doesn't make the American Taxpayer responsible.

Unlike Paul, I do favor increased quotas for legal immigrants from all over the world. All professions and trades but especially doctors, engineers, scientists and lets not forget foreigners with lots of money to deposit in our banks so I can continue getting low mortgage rates. Also, people fearing persecution at home for political reasons should always be welcome (master's degrees preferred of course). So you see, the sooner we deal with this, the sooner you too can come over legally!

In the future my prediction is that the US will deal with illegal immigration in a manner much closer to the "Mexican Model." This is unfortunate.

12:44 AM  
Anonymous Mousqueton said...

Personally, I am all in favor of the US / Mexico fence because I believe that Mexico needs protection.

On one side, the fence is not going to stop migrant workers from entering the US because there will always be entrepreneurial people in both sides of the fence willing to profit from smuggling Mexicans into the US the same way there are entrepreneurial people today smuggling Cubans into Florida.

So, to those that are concerned about a shortage of Mexican migrant workers, I say; do not worry, migration might slow down a little but you can be sure it will continue to be sound and healthy.

As for those who are against migrants, I am sorry to be the one to break the news to you but I do not think Mexican migration will stop in the near future.

I am deeply concerned though about Mexico’s security.

The way I see it is that we have managed to make such a major social, political, educational, moral, healthcare and economic mess of the United States that it won’t be long before people from the US will start to invade Mexico.

So, for the sake of Mexico; lets build the fence to protect them from us.

We should also build a fence in the US / Canada border; otherwise we might overwhelm that country too.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just have a question: how many illegal immigrants they need to build this fence, since there is almost no construction projects being done without the help of illegal immigrants.

And for "cheo medalla", did the Indians living here before told you that this immigration that finally killed them was "legal".

People will do what they can to survive, period.

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4:43 PM  
Blogger calabrese said...

I can believe that most of this ignorants americans think building a fence is a good idea.Well, let me tell you that USA has the right to protect it's border..but to call a poor mexican peasant a terrorist, no way!! that sound too racist..also..a real terrorist will cross the border with or with out a wall..you know why..cause they are criminals with connection and money..to this bunch of white folks...to not put your ignorants minds down..they can dig a tunnel with high tech gadgets; jump from a plane in a shute...or forget documents...this poor peasants they dont have money..or even connections..they come here to do agricultural jobs or jobs that civilized american society dont want to do..this is the problem..racist...

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Andres said...

calabrese,

I dont know why Paul doesn't like inmigrants, but he has the right not to like them and as long as american laws dont change, he will be right.

Nevertheless I must tell you Cheo Medalla, that the inmigrants that you say you support don't have any problem moving to the US. Master's, doctors, millionaires, all that people could move whenever they want. Your problem Cheo is that the inmigrants you like are the only ones that represent a competition for you. Highly qualified professionals are the ones that take the yobs that won't be offered to you.

And Paul, you are mistaken too, illegal inmigrants don't steal jobs. They fill the empty jobs you dont want to do and they are making you richer. Working for low wages reduce costs for the consumers (you). If there were no inmigrants the poor people in the US would have higher salaries, but the mid a high class wouldnt be that richer, because the cost of everything would be higher and you wouldnt have more money, you even migh have less money.

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