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Thursday, April 19, 2007

ESTADOS UNIDOS, LA VIOLENCIA, Y LAS "ALERTAS DE VIAJE"

La masacre sin precedentes de 32 estudiantes llevada a cabo esta semana por un joven trastornado en el Tecnológico de Virginia lleva a uno a preguntarse si no es hora de que el Departamento de Estado abandone sus ''alertas'' de viaje sobre países que estima demasiado peligrosos para visitar. Lee la columna entera aqui, y comenta lo que piensas al respecto.

12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Completamente de acuerdo con el punto que plantea Andres ya que he visto que EE.UU., en muchos casos, se ocupa demasiado en resguardar la seguridad de sus ciudadanos fuera de las fronteras de norteamérica, mas sin embargo, no es la primera vez que vemos un adolescente con problemas existenciales causar una fatalidad como la que desgraciamente ocurrió el pasado lunes en la universidad de Virginia. Es lamentable como hubo tantos muertos y nadie pudo parar a este chico, que como tantos otros en este país, estan perturbados. Espero que el estado aprenda de esta tragedia y actue al respeto para evitar sucesos similares.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Las autocríticas son sanas, contibuyen a mejorar como sociedad.
Buen artículo Andrés!!

Saludos cordiales,

Rubén P.
Rosario - Argentina
rubpen@gmail.com

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Estimado Andrés:
La muerte de todos esos jovenes en virginia, sin duda que a todos nos afecta, y creo que tambien debe afectarnos la muerte del joven asesino. Pues creo que en gran medida, el resultado de sus actos es producto de la sociedad en que crecio, debe reconocerse que el es un reflejo de la sociedad norteamericana, no surcoreana. Por tanto no se debe discriminar a la minoria de origen coreano o de rasgos orientales, cosa que comunmente se hace en el gran país del norte, por los errores cometidos por su sociedad. Sociedad que cultiva la violencia, con sus politicas segregacionistas en sus fronteras interiores, con su culto a las armas, y su pésima politica exterior, esa de creer que el mundo les pertenece y que les hace rasgar vestiduras al ocurrir hechos como los ocurridos lamentablemente en virginia. Muchos latinoamericanos, nos hemos podido conocer a traves de la televisión por cable los nombres de las victimas de la universidad, y los muertos en Irak y Afganistan?, son personas?, tienen nombres?, valen menos que un norteamericano? acaso no han muerto producto de la intevención de insanos?. Ojala lo acontecido, mas alla de todo el dolor que ha producido, sirva para remecer las conciencias. Saludos afectuosos desde Chile.....

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly, I think the comparison of Bogota and New York City is flawed. Having been to Bogota many times, the city is overrun with Colombian Military Officers which sure is not the case in New York City. Also, you are trying to compare the developed world with a developing country (Colombia) which is very difficult to do on several levels. While I agree that the US Travel Warnings should be more impartial, the data is intended for use by US Citizens and often have valid security warnings. One example would be the overall homicide and kidnapping statistics in Colombia which have improved under Uribe but are still cause for concern. Additionally, the homicide rate in Colombia is still 10x the rate of the US per capita. Why would the US put itself on a travel warning list when the Dept. of State comes up with list (international travel is assumed here). If foreign governments want to publish warnings about travel to the US, they can do that but it is my experience that many countries are too busy fighting their own battles against narco-trafficking, money laundering, terrorism, kidnapping, homicide, corruption, impunity and poverty to name a few in the Americas Region.

2:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly, I think the comparison of Bogota and New York City is flawed. Having been to Bogota many times, the city is overrun with Colombian Military Officers which sure is not the case in New York City. Also, you are trying to compare the developed world with a developing country (Colombia) which is very difficult to do on several levels. While I agree that the US Travel Warnings should be more impartial, the data is intended for use by US Citizens and often have valid security warnings. One example would be the overall homicide and kidnapping statistics in Colombia which have improved under Uribe but are still cause for concern. Additionally, the homicide rate in Colombia is still 10x the rate of the US per capita. Why would the US put itself on a travel warning list when the Dept. of State comes up with list (international travel is assumed here). If foreign governments want to publish warnings about travel to the US, they can do that but it is my experience that many countries are too busy fighting their own battles against narco-trafficking, money laundering, terrorism, kidnapping, homicide, corruption, impunity and poverty to name a few in the Americas Region.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sobre los comentarios, de que no hay comparacion entre lo que sucede en Bogota y lo de Virginia, creo que es a medias cierto, personalmente creo que en EEUU es peor,,, el tema de la seguridad que tienen ahi pasa por una inestabilidad constante,,,, la seguridad que muestran con muros y soldados es engañosa,, por lo que permite que los ataques sean mas mortiferos, la gente sabe que en cualquier momento habra un ataque terrorista masivo, es cuestion de tiempo, ayer lo de la Nasa, antes lo de Virginia,,, no tengo duda que en algun momento uno de los operadores de una presa o una central nuclear, generen una catastrofe, es cuestion de tiempo, EEUU, tiene buenas cosas, pero su talon de aquiles es la sociedad violenta que han creado y mantenido estos años,,,, sus frutos estan a la vista,, esos jovenes que crecieron en un ambiente de violencia, ahora son mayores, si bien es cierto que no suceden constantemente estos eventos, pero cuando se desencadenan son de proporciones, lo peor es que sus lideres saben esto y no reaccionan afrontando el problema.

12:05 PM  
Blogger PosCorp said...

Creo que parte de lo que provoca masacres como la que acaba de suceder es producto del pensamiento paranóico que forma parte de la cultura popular norteamericana, donde existen millones de convencidos de que todo el mundo envidia su forma de vida y desea arrebatárselos o castigarlos.
Creo que es momento que los norteamericanos se pregunten si su país realmente puede protegerlos como "lo vende" o es simplemente un discurso.
Por otra parte, también es hora de que sus estudiosos se comprometan a entender por qué su cultura genera este tipo de conductas, que no son aisladas..., mucho más allá de la venta de armas que es igual o superior en Canadá y no se dan los mismos conflictos hasta hoy.
Buen post

12:03 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

I think Mr. Oppenheimer offers some reasonable views on US violence as do some of the comments posted here. As a US citizen, I can agree that we have a unique danger with shooting rampages, enabled by our gun laws, and perhaps motivated by a number of causes including our gun culture, our mass culture of stardom, consumerism, etc. and the feelings of isolation and impotence it can generate.

However, in regards to the question of whether Columbia is less hazardous than the US, I think we should consider the appropriate question that the State department, at least in principle, tries to consider with respect to traveling US citizens. The issue is not whether there are less homicides in Bogota than Washington, but rather, how many US citizens out of a representative sample are likely to be killed on a trip to Bogota. The perception shared by the State Department and many US citizens appears to be that this number (albeit theoretical) is significantly higher than 24 out of 100,000.

And my question is: What is the data that would support an answer to the question of current US traveler safety in Bogota or any other country on the State Departmen list?

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apreciado Sr. Oppenheimer:



Su significativo reportaje “nos arregló el día”.

Gracias.





Eberhard Mueller

Lucía Castro Marín

Mónica Pacheco M.

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sinceramente no estoy de acuerdo con su articulo. El caso del Tecnologico de Virginia fue una tragedia aislada, y podria pasar en cualquier pais. EE.UU tiene todo el derecho de informar a sus cuidadanos de peligros fuera de su pais, puesto que parte de su mision es cuidar por el bienestar de sus ciudadanos. Lo del Tecnologico de virginia es una tragedia, pero no es algo que se ve todos los Dias. Ademas, como me constestaria al innumerable numero de personas secuestradas y matadas en paises extranjeros?...

9:13 PM  
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