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Thursday, August 30, 2007


If you were shocked by this week's U.S. Census figures showing that there are more than 36.5 million people living in poverty in the United States, get ready: It may get much worse in coming years! Read here the column explaining why the recent U.S. Senate failure to pass an immigration reform bill is likely to increase poverty and inequality, and let us know what you think.


Blogger Carlos Erban said...

My comments:
Unfortunately, so many comments are racists against us, Hispanics, wether we are legal or not, but even if you hate Hispanics, we can save Social Security. Also, we are almost Italians (ie. Latins) ? the largest group that came through Ellis Island.

Taking out the emotional side of the issue and just looking at the economics, it is clear that even with 12 million undocumented workers, we are still at one of the lowest unemployment levels ever below 5% (S. Florida is 3.6%). Further, a Pew Study shows that 85% of the 12 million undocumented workers are 18-44 years old. Social Security Actuaries calculated that in the next 75 years immigrants will pay $5 trillion in payroll taxes than they will receive in Social Security benefits. As a matter of fact, the Z-visa proposed in Immigration reform is a registration (a la Ellis Island but with strict background and language requirements) priort to qualifying for a Green Card. In other words, it does not allow them to claim social security for at least 10 years (until they can claim a Green Card). The best experiment was Mariel -- when several hundred thousands Cubans arrived. Miami's economy suffered the first year and then outpaced the national economy the following year. Finally, Immigration laws have changed at least 20 times in the past 100 years to adapt to the economy's needs.

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from: Paul Thørsen

No way can you equate Hispanicks with the wonderfiul Italians. Italians have USA pride, they show me they really want to be American. Yeah, they are damn proud of their Roman/Italian heritage, but they are first and foremost Americans. They don't hate the USA as Hispanicks do.
Italians are damn good Americans. You don't see them waving Italian flags all over the USA, giving their kids names like Luigi and Gianluca, booing USA international sports teams, trying to force the Italian language on the USA, refusing to buy American made cars.....
It was Hazelton, Pennsylvania mayor Louis Barletta that took a stand against illegal Hispanicks by declaring English the official language of his city. One Joe Vento, the owner of a very popular Philadelphia eatery took a stand for the USA and against Hispanicks by declaring orders would only be taken in the English language. That's how you earn respect in the USA. I have nothing against illegal workers. They are doing the same thing I would do if I were from a poor country. I do, however, have problems with a people who blatantly disrespect the USA by refusing to accept English as our language, trying to force their language on the USA, waving foreign flags in the USA, etc.
I say the USA should bring in Southeast Asians, Mahatma Gandhi Indians and Filipinos to do the work now done by Hispanick illegals.

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from: Paul Thørsen

åndêrš, I was really taken aback by your use of the phrase "non-Hispanick whites".
First off, you say that term as if Hispanicks are the world benchmark of what "white" is. That all peoples in the world who call themselves "white" are to be judged against the true "whites", the Hispanicks.
Nobody in the world sees you people as "white", they see you as a distinct separate race of people, that being the Hispanick race of people, of which the people are light-brown to brown skinned.
Secondly, you said it as if everything in the USA is to be judged relative to Hispanicks, as if Hispanicks created the USA and as if all people of the world pay their life savings to be sneaked into the society created by Hispanicks. You need to change your terminology to "white", and "light skinned Hispanick" for those Hispanicks who can pass for being white American. Instead of the other way around: "non-Hispanick whites".
Just another example of you people going around stealing societies from others.

12:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"non-hispanic white" is the official terminology used by the american government on all the paperwork they make employees do before getting hired...

It is impressive how "Paul Thorsen" manages to post the same irrational shit every day on every article of Andres O. This has been hapening for over a year now. He's posts are sometimes misspelled and others have ignorant mistakes like this last post were it allmost seems he isn't an american as he says he is.

Im just speculating, but the ones who read this blog frequently, might agree with me that "Paul thorsen" seems like the nikname used by some extremist group who finds useful this "ideas" being publicated so they seem like a real opinion of some racist o crazy americans.

It might even be some one related to this blog, its funny that "Paul" just felt inlove with these blog.

It just seems unreal that "paul thorsen" could be a real person with no interests compromised.

5:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in the middle of this issue and frankly I disagree with you. It is an excessive labor pool that depresses wages and it doesn't matter whether they are legal or illegal.

And I don't want to hear about "full employment". Many people I know have two or more jobs and both parents have to work to the detriment of little ones.

Stop the junk economics please.

We need some good old fashioned populism and patriotism.

Thank you.
P.S. In response to the above, Mr Oppenheimer asked me to send this to his blog for discussion. I would like to add a couple of facts. I am 4th generation on the border, have a family which has inermarried, worked and travelled cross border since 1896. I have many grandchildren, all of who have Mexican or Hispanic forebearers, some from my family and some from their other side. I am a retired attorney who has worked for years with the indigent population and the working poor. This included literally hundreds of illegal immigrants.

In my rather educated, but not expert opinion, our policies of excessive immigration of any people, whether legal or not, outsourcing and NAFTA are destroying our country and Mexico.

We absolutely must remedy the situation in such a way as to preserve Mexican families and American families. The greedy corporations, leftist mushy heads and most politicians are just wrong obout the issue.

Thanks for a hearing.

4:23 PM  
Blogger Anne said...

(Originally written as an e-mail.) Your column appeared in the local Rochester newspaper on Monday. It was the one decrying the failure of passage of the immigration bill that would have given currently illegal aliens legal status and a path to citizenship.

I disagree with your conclusions on two grounds:
(1) The reason given for legalizing status is to allow farmers and others the unhampered access to labor to do jobs that, theoretically, Americans don't want to do. However, you state that as soon as we did this last time, the newly legalized residents promptly got better jobs. So the bill would not have accomplished for our labor needs what it purported to do.
(2) It is grossly unfair to those in refugee camps who have filled out all the requisite forms and are waiting for their turn if we now say, "Well, all you who pushed to the head of the line, we'll reward you by allowing you to stay and work and earn money." My husband as a volunteer is teaching English to a legal Peruvian immigrant whose relatives are waiting in Peru for permission to join him. They have been waiting for a long time and still have a wait ahead of them. They have filled out all the right papers and done all the right things and they are very much aware that those who crossed the border illegally may be liberally rewarded. I'm sure you can imagine what they think.

I do sympathize with those who would like a better life, but the Mexicans who came over the border for a better life without permission are NOT more deserving of help than the refugees sitting in a camp in Sudan who have absolutely nothing and whose lives are at stake if they leave the camp. We should help those camp refugees, and the others in similarly desperate situations, and help them first and foremost. Then we should help those who have followed our requests for documentation. Only then should we consider legalizing the status of those who have falsified paperwork.

10:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The poverty of illegals will be increased? What the hell have this to do with us Americans? If the illegals can not work here they shall go immediately back to their countries of origin and end of the story.

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