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Sunday, March 11, 2007

BUSH'S TRIP, DAY 4: STATE DEPT. REPORT HURT BUSH FROM THE START

MEXICO CITY -- What a show! President Bush's visit to five Latin American countries and Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's simultaneous anti-Bush tour of the region are likely to go down as one of the hemisphere's most dramatic political moments in recent memory. If this were a boxing match, it would be pretty even, with Chavez slightly ahead so far. A State Department report released shortly before Bush's trip didn't help the U.S. President. Read the whole column here, and let us know what YOU think.

10 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

from: Paul Thørsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

åndèrs, Hugo Chavèz has every right to hate George W Bush and the USA as we have continually tried to destabilize his government.
George Bush is on a crusade to force democracy on the world, but he curiously won't deal with those who were freely elected, like Hamas and Hugo Chavèz.

3:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow!!! It's the first time I am completely agree with Paul Thørsen...


Regards,

Ruben P.
Rosario - Argentina
rubpen@gmail.com

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Gringas fucker said...

Amigo Ruben, Do you really think president Bush is forcing "democracy" on the world?
He doesnt want democracy for Latin America. He is backing narco-states like Colombia and Mexico.
He wants ecomonic underdevelopment for us.
Paul Thorsen is garbage.

11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from: Paul Thørsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

Hey Gringas, explain to us how George W Bush wants "ecomonic underdevelopment" for Latin America. It was the USA who went in and set up your electrical grids and installed your telephone systems, who built your Panama Canal, who set up your train industry, who built your ports and harbors, developed your oil industry......
We gave you baseball, television, radio, computers. The real Anglos, the British, gave you soccer and the internet.
Bill Gates is immunizing all of Latin America.
We let you people smuggle tens of billions of dollars out of the USA economy every year.
The USA gave you people free trade pacts that could have gone to Southeast Asia, as I say we should do. What else do you want?
The reason I say we should give free trade agreements with Southeast Asia and not Latin America is because Hispanics claim to have made modern Miami and made the USA rich and successful. So they surely don't need our help in making a modern and successful Latin America:

http://www.fsa.ulaval.ca/personnel/vernag/REF/Textes/Huntington.htm
in the words of Prof. Damian Fernandez of Florida International University, "We built modern Miami," and made its economy larger than those of many Latin American countries.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Mousqueton said...

SHAME ON YOU!! MR ANDRES OPPEMHEIMER - Part 2

The following is my second, out of four (Part 1, Part 2), comment to the concepts and proposals expressed in Mr. Oppenheimer's Memo to Bush.

Gentleman:

Following on my first comments to your imaginary memo to Mr. Bush published in the Miami Herald on March 04 let me further expand my thoughts on the proposals you include in that document.

The main problem with all your proposals, over and above the fact that they are not well thought, is the underlying implicit policy in which they are based on.

From the reading of your letter it is clear that you advocate for the continuation of a foreign policy in Latin America based on slogans, false speeches and welfare but no realistic long term solutions to the problems of the region. This, even though it is clear that those problems have already started to affect us and have the potential, God forbid, of causing very real national emergencies in the US.

This, without even considering the Geo-economic challenges in the uncertain years to come that most likely will force us to raise Latin America to the category of vital ally.

You seem to believe that the old speech, “People of this country; I bring a message for you” is good enough for a foreign policy as long as you give away some cash to back it up.

Well, I have news for you, it is not enough. Latin Americans are not stupid and we can not afford to play games anymore because too much is at stake.

Further, the US is not alone anymore in using cute slogans like “I bring a message for you” wrapped on dollar bills for a foreign policy. We are facing real competition from what Moises Naim, Editor in Chief of Foreign Policy calls “rogue aid providers” the likes of Venezuela, China and even Iran. While I am not sure that our aid to Latin America doesn’t fall within Mr. Naim’s definition, I am absolutely certain that our past aid to all kind of despots and tyrants as well as our current aid to Pakistan certainly does.

What Latin America expects from a US foreign policy Mr. Oppenheimer is respect. This means eliminating the upper hand and paternalistic definition of Latin America as a welfare region, which obviously you favor, and in turn treating Latin American countries as partners.

Straight forward partners that make their intentions and expectations clear. Partners that work together not out of love or compassion but indeed out of pure, cold and unmistakable interest.

Partners that decide to work together because they will both benefit from the relationship. Partners that realize and accept that they are not equals - only a stupid would believe that the US would even consider renouncing to its superpower status - but, partners that can certainly treat each other with equal respect.

Latin American countries may be poor but they have dignity. They are not a charity case; they do not need us to keep meddling in their internal affairs; they do not need compassion and they certainly deserve much more than a US president traveling throughout the region, like a Conquistador, giving away small mirrors and confetti.

Having laid down the basic problem with your ill thought proposals for Latin America I will continue posting comments on your blog addressing each one of those proposals.

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from: Paul Thørsen
PThorsen240@aol.com

Hey Mosqueton, do you really want to hear what needs to be done in Latin America to ensure long-term solutions? Most Latin Americans don't want to hear it, all they want to do is blame the USA for anything that goes wrong in Latin America and say they would have sent a man to the moon in 1535 if not for "Anglo interference" in the region. Here it is, straight up: there are way too many people in Latin America of a viscious, violent and criminal nature and not enough of the geek, nerd scientist types. A society is only as good as its people. For every good Hispanic like the former boxing great Alexis Arguello and current NY Yankee Alex Rodriguez, there are 10 Hispanics of a criminal and violent nature with no basic sense of right vs wrong.
It's the scientist nerd types who make money for a society, like the American nerd Bill Gates and his nerd buddy Paul Allen. And the YouTube creators. All nerds. Its the nerds who can't be corrupted.
Unless you people can somehow develop a significant nerd/scientist class in Latin America, you will forever see the problems that exist in Latin America today: the violence, crime, poverty, anarchy.......
I think Latin America would not accept a Bill Gates into their society.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANDRES,

YOU ARE URUGUAYAN OR ARGENTINE, YOU KNOW THESE COUNTRIES.

PLEASE TELL TO YOUR AUDIENCE THAT 90% OF ARGENTINES THINKS THAT IT IS A SHAME TO HAVE A PRESIDENT LIKE KIRCHNER WHO IS ACTING LIKE A CHAVEZ PUPPET.

PLEASE TELL THAT 100% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAVEZ ACT IN BUENOS AIRES ARE POOR AND IGNORANT PEOPLE, PAID BY THE GOVERNEMNT TO ASSIT THIS CIRCUS( AND MANY OTHERS).


PLEASE TELL THAT ARGENTINES POLITITIANS DO NOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, THEY ARE VOTED ONLY FOR LACK OF CHOICE.

PLEASE TELL THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MOST SUFFER THE FACT THAT ARGENTINA IS NOT A REAL DEMOCRACY ARE ARGENTINE PEOPLE.

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Mousqueton said...

Dear Paul Thorsen:

Your caustic arguments are great to pick up a street fight and certainly a “priceless” intellectual commodity to keep a dull blog like Mr. Oppenheimer’s interesting and confrontational.

They are though shortsighted and, if I may say so, not completely accurate, when it comes to making and objective analysis of both our and Latin America’s past, present and future reality.

Latin Americans do have a history to be proud of that makes our history pale in comparison.

They were building cities and developing aqueducts to irrigate the land as far as 3,000 years BC. Aqueducts that even today, with all our technology, would be regarded as amazing engineering feats.

According to the chronicles, Francisco Pizarro stood in awe when he had a first look at the city of Cuzco in Peru and wrote back to Spain that the magnificence and beauty of Cuzco rivaled that of the larger and best cities of Spain.

Talk about science and knowledge; with all our technology and engineering science we still can not explain how most of the Inca, Mayan and Aztec wonders of the world were built; ancient Peruvians were doing cerebral trepanations to heal the wounded as far back as 100 AC and those cultures managed to irrigate and harvest twice as much land as we do today, without fertilizers.

It took the killing of 60 million Indians to stop those cultures from developing further; a genocide only equal to the one caused by the introduction of Opium in China by the British.

All of these facts though have very little bearing on the challenges and dangers we face today and the fact that, like it or not, Latin America is fast becoming vital to our future well being.

You seem to look at history from the coziness of your present life without realizing that other super powers before us have been were we are today and that they all ended up disappearing in the abyss of history.

In the years to come, climate changes will have a significant impact on the productivity of the land throughout the world. Colder winters and warmer summers will most certainly affect our crops and since the stations are opposite North and South of the Equator we might very well end up being fed by Latin America during our winter and feeding them during their winter.

This will take some major overhaul of agricultural policies throughout all of the Americas, sophisticated crop coordination and planning as well as significant genetic breakthroughs to optimize the production volume and variety of crops under the prevailing weather conditions.

We do not know how bad the impact of the weather will be on our agriculture but we do have to prepare ourselves for the worst. We also know that it will take time to implement a pan-American long term solution that guarantees that everyone is fed in the Americas. Otherwise, the refugee crisis of Darfur is going to seem like a walk in park compared to the problem both sides of the border could encounter.

You are right when you say that Gates is vaccinating Latin America. What you do not seem to understand is that he is doing it to protect us more than them.

The fact that he is a techy-nerd has made him realize that while a pandemic in the Americas will kill many people in Latin America it would be absolutely devastating in the US. As a matter of fact, Latin Americans immune system is far better suited than ours to withstand a pandemic.

If you think we are prepared for it, think again. Katrina and New Orleans are just a token of what we should expect under a pandemic in the US.

The regions endemic poverty and the lack of health care though makes it a fertile breeding ground for all kind of new diseases as well as antibiotic resistant strains of deceases that are pretty much extinguished in the US.

All our money and arms are useless in this kind of situation and therefore prevention is the smart way to go if we want to protect our own health.

To do this we will need a major overhaul of health policies throughout the Americas as well and time to implement a health care and prevention system that will make everyone safer.

Paul, while you have the right to be as xenophobic as you want, I think it would be smart of you to at least try to be more likable. We both may end up needing more from Latin America than we would like and they may remember your name and comments when we do.

Best regards

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Para el ANONYMOUS que escribe en mayúsculas:

La democracia argentina posee muchas carencias, pero aún así no se puede deslegitimar la popularidad del Presidente Kirchner reflejada en todas las encuestas.

Creo que esa popularidad se debe a "HECHOS" incuestionables de su gestión.

* Crecimiento económico sup. al 8%
* Disminución del desempleo
* Disminución de la pobreza
* Pago de la deuda externa al FMI
* 3 años y medio sin paros nacionales
* Altas tasas de inversión
* Horizonte económico despejado a mediano plazo

Pero los aplausos no deberían ser para Kirchner sino para la gente que se bancó una de las peores crisis vistas en el mundo en los últimos 100 años.

Respecto a Chávez y el acto, es un error decir que K es su marioneta.

En La Nación del domingo, Mariano Grondona contaba sobre nuestra tradición de hacer desplantes a USA (aunque debió contar también los que ellos nos hicieron...).

Por suerte el mundo cambió. India, China, Rusia siguen creciendo y se convierten en nuevas grandes potencias. Tengo la esperanza que con ellos tengamos mejores relaciones que con USA.


Saludos cordiales,

Ruben P.
Rosario - Argentina
rubpen@gmail.com

12:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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2:02 PM  

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